# 182

Posted: 19/11/2009 17:53

I have flu for one week now, not feeling much better, started with sore throat and slight fever, aches and pains etc, headache unbearable just took Paracetamol and stayed indoors. Did not have swab test so dont know if swine flu or not, all I know is it's not like any 'flu Iv'e had before.  Total exhaustion and no appetite whatsoever. I would be wary of the injection as I work in healthcare and none of the doctors would have the vaccine. 

# 181

Posted: 17/11/2009 12:30

Hi Carol - PBC

I created a new discussion topic under "General Discussions" if you have any questions or concerns re PBC

Hopefully we will hook up with fellow-sufferers and compare stories.

Hope you are Well

M.Rose

# 180

Posted: 13/11/2009 18:34

Hi,

Can anyone clarify whether I am more likely to develop a bad dose of swine flu if I do get it as I am hypothyroid, have fibromyalgia, am neutropenic and have positive ANA??

Thanks

# 179

Posted: 13/11/2009 16:30

Jamie,

I am also surprised that the State is spending something like 88 million Euro

on fast-tracked flu vaccines to be given FREE to everyone in the State.

Thanks but I think I will say no to this offer.

There is no such thing as a free lunch!

# 178

Posted: 13/11/2009 15:29

Not enough is known about these vaccines. In their present form, they are untested. We do not know how toxic Pandremix may be to babies in the womb, for example, because it was studied in utero only in rats before being released. And, according to GlaxoSmithKline's consent form for Pandremix in Belgium, the vaccination programme is effectively a trial on human subjects. ? The Health Protection Agency has said the safety of these vaccines is 'unknown'. The UK watchdog is concerned about the risk of Guillain-Barré, a syndrome that can cause paralysis and even death. ? The German Medical Association and the Swiss drugs authority have both banned Pandremix for pregnant women, children and youg people under 18 and the over-60s, due to lack of data for these age groups. Adverse reactions, particularly in children and youg people but also in the elderly, have been posted on the Internet. ? Pandremix contains substances of particular concern in pregnancy, thiomersal and squalene. The FDA has refused to license squalene for swine flu vaccines in the US. Squalene has been linked with a range of neurological disorders, from MS to lupus and rhumatoid arthritis. ? And the problem with thiomersal is that it is a mercury compound: its manufacturer, Eli Lilly, says over-exposure to mercury in the womb may lead to intellectual disability and impaired motor co-ordination. ??Even the European Medicines Agency stopped short of recommending the 2 vaccines in use in Ireland, Pandremix and Celvapan, for under-18s. And all the authorities agree that they should not be given to babies under 6 months. But, if they are not safe for small infants, how can these vaccines be safe for babies in the womb? Everything, but everything, crosses the placenta. Finally, a number of women have miscarried shortly after getting the swine flu vaccine. Their posts suggest that pregnant women, like nursing mothers, should think carefully before they vaccinate. ??Only time will tell, unfortunately, whether or not the benefits outweigh the risks.

Author: 'Emergency Irish hospitals in chaos'

# 177

Posted: 11/11/2009 08:32

The Polish Health Minister (a GP for twenty years) has refused to sign the contracts with the pharmaceutical companies for the swine flu vaccine because the vaccine has not been tested. She also said that the contracts which grant blanket immunity from prosecution or penalties (similar to the ones our government have signed) had more than 20 clauses which are against the law.

The Polish PM is supporting the decision so the Poles will not be getting the vaccines.

# 176

Posted: 11/11/2009 08:29

Anonymous, I responded yesterday but for some reason it was not posted. 

Here is a link to research papers on the CDCs website about the 500 cases (not thousands sorry my mistake) of Guillain-Barre Syndrome caused by the last swine flu vaccine.  

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/emergency/swineflu.htm

# 175

Posted: 09/11/2009 12:12

David given that the swine flu vaccienE is only a couple of months old, I would LOVE to see any medical evidence that it actually caused thousands of cases of autoimmune disorders?

# 174

Posted: 06/11/2009 20:06

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with me about Anonymous. I accept that some people with autoimmune problems will suffer badly from this flu as is the case with many other illnesses. I have read nothing however that suggests that most people suffering from autoimmune disorders will not recover quickly and fully. Perhaps you could point me to something that shows otherwise.

Given that the last swine flu vaccine actually caused thousands of cases of autoimmune disorders I would still be more concerned about the vaccine than the illness. 

Apart from anything the following recent article in The Atlantic magazine shows that despite fifty years of flu vaccinations there is little evidence that they work at all. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1

# 173

Posted: 06/11/2009 19:00

I started with sore glands and a sore troath..bit feverish(not bad)

no fever now ...but no energy,, going on for a week...

my Doctor said it may be the swine flu..no tests done..

my question when i get well...can i still get the vacine..as i really dont know

if i had swine flu or not...thanks for any help here...

my weight

# 172

Posted: 06/11/2009 15:36

NO David, for people with autoimmune conditions, it can be very serious and can and does take weeks to recover from.

# 171

Posted: 06/11/2009 15:02

Anonymous it is also a mild illness for most of those in the at risk category as well. It is a problem for a tiny minority as are most illnesses.

# 170

Posted: 06/11/2009 13:29

Hi Jamie

Given that the public sector have probably already booked their holidays for their annual sick leave, and the private sector are dragging themsleves out of their deathbeds for fear of losing their jobs, I don't think absenteeism due to swine flu will manifest itself!

# 169

Posted: 06/11/2009 12:06

Hi Carol, can't offer any opinions on your condition but just a word of advice, if a gastroscope caused manic for you, consider that perhaps you need a a heavier dose of sedation than is usual for the procedure or even consider having it under general aneasethic. David, it is a mild illness only in peope who are not in the high risk categories with no underlying illness. For those with underlying conditions, they can be and have been ill for weeks at a time and some need hospitalisation.

# 168

Posted: 06/11/2009 09:32

Hi Jamie,

Given that its a mild illness and most people who get it are fine after three days a huge absentee rate seems very unlikely. Its hardly as if most businesses are overloaded with work presently, except of course the pharmaceutical industry.

Hope you feel better soon Broken.

# 167

Posted: 05/11/2009 21:14

Hi Magrose,I dont know how I am doing on the Ursofalk yet.I dont drink at all. I used to.I havent really changed my lifestyle, I think I gave up when I was told I had this disease. I am overweight and am almost afraid to lose weight as I overheard a Doctor say at one time that I soon will lose weight. I dont have any symptoms, itch etc.I had a Gastro Camera down a few weeks ago and I completely lost it so it had to be abandoned for another time, they were looking for varices. This is a horrible disease. I read on a blog today that in order for the vaccination to work a person has to have a good immune system? Where does that leave us? I am 60 years old and just feel doomed. Sorry to be such a moan.

REgards,

Carol. ps, you have your hands full with the small children,are you not exhausted all the time?

# 166

Posted: 05/11/2009 14:34

i got the vaccine today. i am now more scared of doing that and the results of it than the b...pig pox.

after reading all the posts here, i am now fearful.  i felt i had to get the jab but didnt look on the posts here first...maybe i should have..i just dont know really.

on bed now with a blinder of a headache but very tired anyway as so much is wrong with me in the first place.

"Clever people master life and the wise illuminate it and create fresh difficulties"

# 165

Posted: 05/11/2009 12:49

Hi Carol,

Yes, do not let your guard down when it comes to swine flu, it is highly contagious - take the usual precautions for the 2 weeks.

As for Ursofalk, yes, I have been taking it since 2003, the purpose of which "stabilises" the condition.  I did a little research into the condition myself and decided to change my lifestyle to see if it made a difference - i stopped drinking completely, cut down on red meat & started eating chicken.  Interestingly, my bloods returned to normal before I got pregnant with my latest addition to the family - he will be 1 in 2 weeks! Got my bloods checked again after I had baby [I stopped taking Urso while pregnant and breastfeeding for 7 months] and they were raised again so am back taking meds.  Hopefully,  when I get checked again they will have decreased again.

How are you finding it yourself? 

M.Rose

# 164

Posted: 05/11/2009 09:25

Hello,

I am a type 1 diabteic for 10 years and im not sure what to do about this swine flu vaccine. I dont know the risks involved in relation to actually getting the vaccine. Does it have side effects ?. I know i fall in to the most at risk group but there is so little info regarding this vaccine that im hesitant to get it.

any advice would be very welcome,

Thanks.

# 163

Posted: 04/11/2009 21:40

I have crohns, sjogrens, coeliac, raynauds, neurodegnerative disorder and hypothyroidism.  is the jab safe for me, i am under 65 by ten years.  my gp surgery is not due to get the vaccine in until next week.

I am not well at present due to exhaustion and overdoing things.  is it safe to turn up at the local hse clinic tomorrow which is INSIDE a general hospital! very strange that!

i cannot fathom the online booking although internet literate! so far failed to 'score' on a booking for tomorrow.

this is absolultely crazy situation.  trying to get my gastroenterologist to actually reply to my quey of whether the jab is safe for me is equally proving impossible, a few emails to his secretary later, no response.

what is wrong with my country, not by choice!

"Clever people master life and the wise illuminate it and create fresh difficulties"

# 162

Posted: 04/11/2009 19:38

Thank You MagRose. Yes, I had the vaccination last night and so far all is well apart from a very sore arm.So, I still need to take precautions for the nest two weeks? Are you taking Ursofalk for the PBC? I have been taking it for nearly a year now and I wont know if it has made any difference until I get the results of my latest Ultrasound scan.

REgards,

Carol.

# 161

Posted: 04/11/2009 17:47

To posts # 135- 137, I was wondering myself why the government is spending so much on vaccines. Could it be that the economy would lose even more money if everyone got swine flu and had to take a week or 2 off work?

# 160

Posted: 03/11/2009 22:19

Hi Carol [PBC]

Did you know Primary Billary Chirosis is considered a "chronic liver disease" ..... see website: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/primarybiliarycirrhosis/index.htm

I was diagnosed in 2003 when I was pregnant with my first child.  My father had it and my older sister has it.  I am 41 years old, my sister is 44.

As with all vaccinations, there are side effects - I had absolutely no hesitation today when I went for my vaccination - [you are guaranteed you will not get swine flu from the jab] but for me I would rather have some form of protection if I were to catch it than not have any vaccination.  I also have an 11 month old child which will also be vaccinated.  My daughter suffers from eczema and asthma so the worry for me was not only if she got it but if she carried it home for me or her brother to catch it. [she was also vaccinated today].

It takes 2 weeks for the vaccination to work.

M.Rose

# 159

Posted: 31/10/2009 14:17

HELLO,

Can anyone out there tell me that if I have the Swine Flu vaccination I will not get the Swine Flu? I am not sure about this.Am I 100% protected?

Thanks.

# 158

Posted: 31/10/2009 04:23

Hi,

I am 43, have Angina (heart disease)

My Husband Dave has Bronchitis, and Epilepsy

Jack my son 13 has Asthma

Rebecca my daughter 11 has Asthma

Should we have the vaccine for swine flu?.

I know it has been tested, but what are the side affects?

Its a new drug, should we are shouldn't we?

Kindest regards,

 Julie 

# 157

Posted: 28/10/2009 07:19

Hi Chronic Pain Sufferer,

you may have had swine flu or you may not. It is impossible to tell how prevalent the virus is at the moment as the statistics are not based on laboratory testing. It is worth looking up the CBS in America's investigative report into the official statistics. They have discovered that the statistics are being vastly exaggerated.

Meanwhile the Swedish media have reported five deaths linked to the Pandemrix vaccine.

Best wishes for your pregnancy. It is a tough time to be pregnant with the constant fearmongering about this.

# 156

Posted: 26/10/2009 23:07

I have read all the posts and have gotten more information there than anywhere so thank you all!

I'm 10 weeks pregnant and had an extremely bad flu last week, I'm never laid up with any illness but this just wiped me out completely. My doctor brushed it off and said, 'If it continues, come back and we'll sort something out.'

I genuinely believe I had a dose of Swine flu looking at the symtoms and comparing it to what I went through.

Luckily, I dont suffer with an underlying illness as I have now decided that I will definitely NOT be getting the Vaccine as some people reckon it may contribute to cause brain formation problems or Autism.

I think the HSE are useless and in trying to play things down are making things a hell of a lot worse!!!

# 155

Posted: 20/10/2009 12:14

This incompetent Government is to give an unlimited indemnity to the manufacturers of the swine ‘flu vaccine to ensure they are not held liable for any possible adverse affects.It means the taxpayer, rather than the multi-national companies behind the drug, would have to foot the bill for any potential compensation settlements.

Despite contrary claims by the HSE these vaccines have not been tested!The European Medicines Agency (EMEA) has granted marketing authorisation to two swine flu vaccines: Focetria produced by Novartis and Pandemrix produced by GlaxoSmithKline. The authorisation has been given in spite of the fact the vaccines have not been tested.“There is currently no clinical experience with Focetria (H1N1) in adults, including the elderly, children or adolescents,” says the EMEA on its pandemic influenza H1N1 website after giving approval to the vaccine on September 24th.http://www.emea.europa.eu/influenza/vaccines/focetria/focetria.htmlIn addition, EMEA states on its pandemic website there is “no clinical experience in the elderly, in children or in adolescents” with pandemrix.

“There is currently very limited clinical experience with an investigational formulation of Pandemrix (H1N1) containing a higher amount of antigen (see section 5.1) in healthy adults aged 18-60 years and no clinical experience in the elderly, in children or in adolescents.”

http://www.emea.europa.eu/influenza/vaccines/pandemrix/pandemrix.html

# 154

Posted: 19/10/2009 11:44

Isnt it amazing the way swine flu wasnt as serious during the run-up to Lisbon? And I am sure it will be less serious in the run up to the December budget... The media have an awful lot to answer for - they blow everything out of proportion and I am wholly sick of them.

# 153

Posted: 17/10/2009 22:14

The President of the German Society for General Practioners and Family Medicine, Michael Kochen, has told GPs not to give patients the "swine flu" jab. 

The President of the Association for Doctors for Children and Young People, Professor Wolframg Hartmann has accused the German government of making "false scientific claims" in relation to the vaccine."The risk of damage is greater than the benefit," Hartmann said.

# 152

Posted: 12/10/2009 18:01

You are welcome Carol. For what its worth I think you are right.

The HSE is claiming that market research has shown that "about 75 per cent of people are well disposed towards getting the new vaccine". I find that quite hard to believe considering the NHS reckon they will struggle to get over 10-20% of their own frontline staff to take it. It sounds suspiciously like spin to me.

# 151

Posted: 12/10/2009 15:57

Thanks for that David. I dont think I will be running to get vaccinated though! I fear that more than the Flu. I have never believed in any of them over the years at all.

# 150

Posted: 11/10/2009 22:20

Hi Carol,

I imagine anyone with the immune system problems would probably be among those the authorities would classify as being at "high risk".

I find it upsetting that as a result of the (in my opinion) unwarranted level of fear being promoted through the media there are many people becoming very nervous. To get this in perspective every year about 5,000 people die of diseases of the respiratory system - pneumonia, bronchitis etc. To date this year how many people have died of this "swine flu"? 4? 

# 149

Posted: 08/10/2009 18:16

Hello,

I have a condition called Primary Biliary Cirrhosis and am very worried that I may be among those at high risk? Can anyone enlighten me please?

Thanks.

# 148

Posted: 08/10/2009 15:20

Hi David in this instance I would share your concern.

# 147

Posted: 07/10/2009 16:58

I have just read that Focetria will be one of the vaccines administered in Ireland and soon. I have also read that it has not been tested on in the elderly, in children, in pregnant women or in adolescents. The intention is to assess the safety and side effects after it has been administered.  

# 146

Posted: 05/10/2009 12:02

HI David as far as I am aware the "fast tracking" was done as a response to the fact that the spread of the disease itself was "fast tracking"! That said, should we trust anyone 100%?

# 145

Posted: 02/10/2009 19:51

thanks Anonymous it wasn't me that was sick and all is well now.

Buzz as someone who worked in the regulatory end of the pharmaceutical industry I would be interested to hear what you make of the fast-tracking of the swine flu vaccine into mass production and the by-passing of the usual testing procedures.

# 144

Posted: 02/10/2009 15:42

That is very interesting about the cancer and canabis, Razor. I'd love to look into it more. David, you were probably lucky to be only waiting the two hours - sadly. Hope whatever was troubling you is better now. Sky "News" I don't regard a news stream and I'd be surprised isf anyone else did either. More 'U.S.-inspired repetitive-stream'.A movie chanel seems like a lovely idea.

# 143

Posted: 02/10/2009 14:54

The mainstream media has a lot to answer for Buzz, no doubt about it. Its main purpose seems to be to increase the level of fear about pretty much everything (except the government-proposed solutions, it seems). I spent two hours in a hospital waiting room last night being bombarded by Sky News. I was surrounded by pregnant women all having to listen to the same four or five stories of child abuse by a nurse, earthquake deaths, an eight-year-old's suicide etc. being repeated over and over again. I'm sure the expectant mothers (who were all anxiously waiting to find out if their babies were ok) were thinking what kind of world are they bringing their child into. It seems to be the same in all the hospitals. I imagine if the hospitals put on some old movie channels instead they might witness a drop in the blood pressure readings of patients being admitted.