# 67

Posted: 20/11/2009 13:57

Pregnant women and parents are being misled regarding the safety of

mercury in the Pandemrix H1N1 vaccinehttp://www.whale.to/vaccine/eli_lilly_material_data.html

# 66

Posted: 05/11/2009 11:44

Actually Informed the nasal spray version of antibiotics is a great idea, and certainly it is something we should consider over here for the simple reason that it does not require the use of such harmful excipients and mediums. A lot of the time, it is the actually medium used to carry the vaccine that can pose more threat than the vaccine itself. Of course as with all things re the Irish government, cost and foreard thinking are major factors and we tend to fall down on the latter.

Most vaccines DO use a live virus, and I believe I have pointed this out before. The reason being of course that the principle mechanism by which a vaccine works is to stimulate the body into producing antibodies specific to the disease in question. This can only be done by tricking the immune system into "thinking" that it has the disease, thereby inducing it to produce the relevant antibodies...and as such we will then have them "on tap" when we are exposed to the full blown version.

Of course the "live " viruses are attenuated (weakened considerably) and therefore do not cause the full blown disease, but you are correct it makes perfect sense to advise those who HAVE been given the vaccine to avoid those peopel who are immunosuppressed.

There are some vaccines which do not use live viruses they simply introduce the antibodies on a short term basis but since the body does not actually produce these and have a "memory" for this specific disease, they do not afford long term protection.

Any junior cert biology book will clearly point out the basic differences between different vaccines.

regards

# 65

Posted: 05/11/2009 01:59

Regarding swine flu have you seen children and some adults on the US news been given the Flumist intranasal spray vaccine.

The vaccine is given to healthy children with NO underlying illness.

This is a live virus vaccine and it can live in the nose for 21 days according to the manufacture.

Adults/children who receive this kind of vaccine are advised to keep away from people with a compromised immune system during this time.

How is that going to happen????

As far as I know the vaccine has not yet received a license for use in Europe.

# 64

Posted: 10/09/2009 15:53

They fail to list off the manufactures version of possible side effects.

Informed (if you want to live up to your name and actually BE informed) it is your responsibility to request information pertaining to drugs your doctor administers on the spot. The information IS there. Perhaps you do not want to see it?? It is called the data sheet and you cant really miss it.

# 63

Posted: 10/09/2009 13:29

Because there are no expected adverse reactions and the circualtion of the vaccine is now being rushed. What's the point getting the vaccine in 2012 if the disease is circulating in 2009? Also, this does not absolve them of their responsibility to continue to meet the high standards required in this and every other vaccine.

# 62

Posted: 10/09/2009 13:17

Hi David.

Yes I believe thats true about the medical profession not too keen on vaccines.

The public have a right to be FULLY INFORMED about the ingredients, contraindications, possible side effects etc before giving consent to any vaccine.

When asked if there are any side effects from vaccine doctors always say you may have a sore arm at the site of the vaccination or you may feel a little feverish.

They fail to list off the manufactures version of possible side effects.

# 61

Posted: 09/09/2009 02:08

GlaxoSmithKline have not disclosed the ingredients in their swine flu vaccine (Pandremix)

As with other drug companies manufacturing swine flu vaccines they have been given immunity from anyone taking a lawsuit should they have a serious side effect from the vaccine.

Why has the HSE NO vaccine damage compensation payments in place as they are promoting that these vaccines should be given to adults and children.

# 60

Posted: 26/08/2009 15:06

1. Millions of flu vaccines are made and administered every year. They are different every year as the strains of flu circulating are different every year, often slightly, often dramatically. Anyone with a bit of sense would know that to be against swine flu vaccines exclusively is completely batty.

2.Media hype doesn't make something dangerous.

3.Healthcare workers have a duty NOT to put their patients at further risk of contracting the disease, and given that most people who visit their GP will be immuno-compromised they are automatically a high risk group (even the scare mongering quacks will admit that death by swine flu tends to occur in those with underlying conditions).

# 59

Posted: 26/08/2009 08:10

A new poll conducted by GP magazine has revealed that as many as 60% of GPs have severe doubts over the proposed vaccine. Of 216 GPs surveyed, 29% say they will outright refuse to be vaccinated, while a further 29% remain unsure. Only 41% of doctors said they would definitely take the shot.

# 58

Posted: 24/08/2009 13:01

tatty, I understand it will be Ocotober before it is available - and yes, it is designed to prevent swine flu.

# 57

Posted: 24/08/2009 02:02

there are only two questions as far as im concerned 1when can the major high risk people get the vaccine and 2 will it work end of story

# 56

Posted: 19/08/2009 08:44

Infomed, something can be reported up to 2 years after a vcaccine is gfiven and in order for it to be reported, there does not have to be any proven link whatsover between the suspected adverse event and the vaccine in question. That the company is going to be sued means nothing unless the action is ruled by the courts as being successful. Do you know what the side effects of cervical cancer are? Apart, of course from 220,000 dead women around the world every year?The swine flu vaccine is not even out yet - in fact it hasn't even completed its final testing for the public yet - so how on earth can it be reported as causing side effects in those memebers of the public who have recieved it? Seroxat is contra-indicated for use in pregnancy - how on earth any doctor would not have known that is incomprehensible.

# 55

Posted: 18/08/2009 16:21

 Buzz and Anonymous HAD THEIR WAY IT WOULD SEEM THEY WOULD LIKE

TO KEEP THE PUBLIC IN BLISSFUL IGNORANCE OF THE TRUTH.

Ah yes, manipulating the truth yet again. Actually YOU are misrepresenting the facts Informed. Doctors have been told NOT to prescribe and have been instructed to inform pregnant women of the possible adverse effects.

# 54

Posted: 18/08/2009 08:59

Buzz is right David (and has great cop on and common sense too) if you injest something as harmless as water in high enough quantitities it can kill you. Excess water consumption can cuase hyponatremia in high enough volumes.

# 53

Posted: 18/08/2009 01:25

There was a medical doctor on Liveline re: Seroxat antidepressant triggering

some side effects ie  birth defects/ miscarriage in women who were pregnant

and YES  they were prescribed the drug.

If Buzz and Anonymous HAD THEIR WAY IT WOULD SEEM THEY WOULD LIKE

TO KEEP THE PUBLIC IN BLISSFUL IGNORANCE OF THE TRUTH.

# 52

Posted: 18/08/2009 01:12

The other brand of cervical cancer vaccine Cervarix was introduced into the school system in the UK in September 2008 for 12 year old girls.

There have been many cases of paralysis reported following this vaccine and the

drug company in question GlaxoSmithKline is being sued as reported in all the UK newspapers.

The H1N1 FLU VACCINE HAS ALSO BEEN LINKED TO CAUSING PARALYSIS IN SOME PEOPLE AS REPORTED IN UK SUNDAY NEWSPAPERS August 16, 2009

AND IRISH DAILY MAIL AUGUST 17, 2009 PAGE 18

People have a right to be informed regarding this information.

# 51

Posted: 17/08/2009 16:11

Polysorbate 80 has been linked to causing spontaneous abortion/miscarriage/birth defects in women

Informed, I would be interested in a comment from you pertaining to infertility and death in women which can be brought about by cervical cancer.

It is a common trend that those who spew rubbish and scare monger "pop science" rumours about conventional meds actually spend so long focusing on POSSIBLE side effects of a vaccine that they forget to look at the PROBABLE side effects of the diseases which such vaccines prevent.

# 50

Posted: 17/08/2009 16:07

David I am sorry but that is ridiculous. Your point about water being injected is of little clinical relevance to the original point you made. Of course, injecting too much of ANY liquid into the body will cause problems, but this is related to the volume that is being introduced not necessarily the chemical nature of the component.

# 49

Posted: 17/08/2009 14:13

Oh have we resorted to Joe Duffy. I didn't realise he was a medical expert as well as everything  else! If pregnant women were given Gardasil then it was indeed perscribed for them - it begs the question that given that Gardasil here, is indicated PRIOR to girls becomign sexually active (ages 10 - 14), what on earth were doctors doing given it to those who were pregnant (given that being sexually active, generally is a requirement to become pregnant)

# 48

Posted: 17/08/2009 11:57

Anonymous,

There was a discussion with Joe Duffy on Liveline last week with women who

were prescribed Seroxat which is linked to miscarriage maybe you could listen back to it.

I did not say that Gardasil was prescribed for pregnant women.

I said that young girls who were vaccinated with Gardasil vaccine who were UNAWARE that they were pregnant at the time later reported having a miscarriage. Gardasil vaccine is PRESCRIBED FOR GIRLS BETWEEN THE AGE's 9-26 in the US.

CBS NEWS which can be seen on youtube is not an entertainment programme

It is one of USA's major news programmes.It is also shown on Sky News at 12:30am most days which is seen at 7:30pm in New York.  ( 5 hour time difference)

# 47

Posted: 17/08/2009 09:50

Informed I would like to know of ANY obstetrician here who perscribes Seroxat for pregnant women??? This is one of the drugs among many wich is contraindicated in pregnancy. Given that Gardasil in indiagted for use in girls PRIOR to becoming sexually active, what sort stupidity would a doctor employ to provide it to a women who was actually pregnant???There us a whole other thread on the cervical cancer vacine which I'm sure will inform you. I for one don't take my health advice from youtube or any other entertainment websites.

# 46

Posted: 14/08/2009 17:41

Thanks informed

# 45

Posted: 14/08/2009 16:32

Hi David,

You were saying that you did not know enough about Polysorbate 80

This additive/ excipient is also one of the ingredients in Gardasil HPV vaccine-it is also in the antidepressant Seroxat which is sometines prescribed for pregnant women. (Guardian Newspaper August 7, 2009 re: Seroxat and miscarriage)

Polysorbate 80 has been linked to causing spontaneous abortion/miscarriage/birth defects in women who were on Seroxat while pregnant and in young women in the US who were given Gardasil vaccine and were unaware they were pregnant at the time.

Gardasil HPV vaccine is given to females between the age of 9-26 in the US

This is why I am concerned about pregnant women having the swine flu vaccine that contains Polysorbate 80.

You can see reports about Gardasil side effects on youtube CBS NEWS and other US NEWS sites and in UK newspapers.

You can also see reports of other side effects from Gardasil vaccine from NVIC

National Vaccine Information Centre based in the US.

# 44

Posted: 11/08/2009 16:32

Anonymous, on the home page there is a box on the left which has a list of the news stories which have been "most commented" on. I have yet to see a news story there that has as many comments as this one. 

There is a very significant difference between ingesting something orally and injecting it into yourself. For example, you can actually die from having water injected into you. So you see my point about milk is relevant and it is this - we should be extremely careful about what is injected into our bodies as it is an abnormal route of entry.

# 43

Posted: 11/08/2009 16:03

I take your point Buzz. However some of the ingredients in vaccines which may be safely consumed orally and therefore processed by the liver etc. can cause problems when injected. Although I don't know enough about polysorbate 80 to say either way, I would be more concerned with the reports that squalene will be an ingredient in some the vaccines as squalene does appear to present significant risks. 

# 42

Posted: 11/08/2009 13:41

David perhaps you could answer your own question (post 36)? You obviously have something to say so....say it!

# 41

Posted: 11/08/2009 13:37

There is no website for polysorbate80drugs.com

David, there are dozens and dozens of stories with far far more than 40 odd comments so there is no sense to the question. As for using your "real name", that is hardly relevant considering it doesn't actually tell us anything any more than anonymous does.

Your comment on milk is as relevant as saying that vacciens contain water so therefore it wouldn't be a good idea to injest water.

# 40

Posted: 11/08/2009 09:45

Very clever David, however the point was (and still is) that some people will try to lead us to believe that specific ingredients are all evil and guaranteed to kill you....yet they fail to mention that they have common every day occurences. They are banking on the fact that the names of such ingredients are perhaps alien to people, and so people will take as gospel anything these quacks tell them. Whether we inject or injest something is really of little relevance to the conversation at hand, but I appreciate your insight. regards

# 39

Posted: 11/08/2009 01:24

Try      Polysorbate 80 drugs.com 

# 38

Posted: 10/08/2009 19:49

not paranoid ANONYMOUS as I clicked on all of the most commented stories and none had as many. If I was truly paranoid I'd probably avoid using my real name like yourself. I didn't put forward a "conspiracy theory" I just asked a reasonable question. 

# 37

Posted: 10/08/2009 17:35

Actually David, it only has 36 comments - many discussions have hundreds. So the paranoia in your conspiracy theory doesn't really wash.

# 36

Posted: 10/08/2009 16:41

This discussion has more comments on it by a long way than all of this website's  "most commented" stories yet doesn't feature on the list. Why is that do you think?

# 35

Posted: 10/08/2009 16:15

milk is also an ingredient of ice cream, but I don't think it would be a great idea injecting yourself with it.

# 34

Posted: 10/08/2009 12:26

Polysorbate 80 is also used in food such as ice cream. Would hate to think that people were only being provided with SOME information....

# 33

Posted: 10/08/2009 11:39

The link for www. spcpolysorbate80drugs.com does not exist.

# 32

Posted: 08/08/2009 14:31

Celvapan Pandemic Influenza vaccine Baxter International contains an ingredient Polysorbate 80 also found in Gardasil HPV VACCINE. Click on to SPC Polysorbate 80 drugs.com for more information on this additive. Try ingredients Celvapan for vaccine info.

# 31

Posted: 08/08/2009 10:49

can anyone tell me what extra worries a lupus patient should have towards the swine flu pandemic?

# 30

Posted: 07/08/2009 09:10

Thank you very much indeed for that informed. I have printed it out and will be checking wity the IMB and my doctor. Page 26 however, only contains the following:

The vaccine should not be administered intravascularly.

Any unused vaccine or waste material should be disposed of in accordance with local requirements."

# 29

Posted: 06/08/2009 14:04

Hi informed, there was no link in your last post

# 28

Posted: 06/08/2009 13:26

Baxter International has approval for Celvapan Pandemic Influenza Vaccine http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/celvapan/H-982-PI-en.pdf This vaccine has not bee tested on children under 18 Please see 26 pages on vaccine.