# 31

Posted: 02/10/2009 13:44

Razor, this is what the health authorities and in fact this very website have been telling us. So what do you base your thoughts on, on it being incorrect?

Conspiracy theories and paranoiad specualtion on this or anything, don't interest me.

Information cannot hurt anyone, true but misinformation can kill.  

# 30

Posted: 02/10/2009 11:06

“Razor, swine flu is far more transmissible than seasonal flu, is more likely to affect younger people, can have more far-reaching and damaging effects in addition to affecting the immunocompromiosed, asthmatics and pregnant women”

Anonymous this is completely untrue! The seasonal flu is far more dangerous than swine flu. Some people are genuinely frightened and worried about swine flu and this type incorrect misinformation no matter how well intentioned is counter productive at best.

Baxter filed for a swine flu vaccine patent a year before the outbreak was announced. Baxter sent 72Kg of contaminated seasonal flu product containing live bird flu virus to 16 laborites in 4 countries. They did not adhere to the most basic and essential steps to keep 72 kilos of a pathogen classified as a bio-weapon secure and separate from all other substances under stringent bio-security level regulations. This various serious incident was not followed up by any investigation from the WHO, EU, or Governmental health authorities. Why?

It is inconceivable that some posters dismiss this evidence as “scaremongering” and “conspiracy theories”. Open your eyes. This actually happened. Had the population been injected with this deadly vaccine, swine flu would have faded into insignificance as there is no doubt the death toll from this vaccine could have been catastrophic!

Buzz it is regrettable you are surprised and disappointed at my posts. However the implications of this are far too serious to be concerned about how others view me through my posts and dismissed the content as the “behavior of some of the conspiracy theorists”. People need to stop and smell the roses before it’s too late! Information cannot hurt any one, lack of can be deadly. Take care!

# 29

Posted: 01/10/2009 09:45

Some factual and positive news at last - albeit a snippet. How sad yet very telling that it had to be followed by the usual demeaning insults to which some posters seem to see fit to lower themselves.

# 28

Posted: 01/10/2009 09:36

"brainwashed pseudo intellectual half wit pharmaceutical idolaters" ah Razor now you really shouldnt stoop that low-I'm surprised and a little disappointed in you - generally your posts are so coherent and objective.

I read this yesterday (from a completely unrelated source might I add) but as I read it I thought it would fit in nicely here:

"If life teaches you anything it's this: you can never dispel another person's delusions. No Matter how much empirical proof you have to the contrary, they will hang on to their false beliefs with a vehemance that might baffle and infuriate you, but which (you realise much later on) is their only defence against a truth that would undermine everything they hold dear. Once they have embraced the lie, nothing you can say, do or prove will shift them away from it. The lie becomes the truth - and it can never be challenged"

This, I feel, really goes far to explain the behaviour of some of the conspiracy theorists on here. You may believe that this explains the behaviour of the "brainwashed pseudo intellectual half wit pharmaceutical idolaters" as you so eloquently put it. Be that as it may, each to their own. This line of bickering interests me no more. I have brought plenty to the table, and so have you (and I particularly enjoy your well thought out and intellectual posts on other threads) but for me, now, this line of arguing is over.

Regards

# 27

Posted: 30/09/2009 14:38

"Swine flu is thankfully mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine. Seasonal flu has a death rate of less than 0.1 percent. Mortality from swine flu, is estimated to be from 0.007 % to 0.045 %, a tiny fraction of that of seasonal flu!

This I think is good news for any one worried about this particular swine flu strain. Unfortunately, may be not so good for the brainwashed pseudo intellectual half wit pharmaceutical idolaters who frequently dismiss the genuine aspirations of others as paranoia?

# 26

Posted: 29/09/2009 12:25

Ann, you cannot catch hunger and malnutrition - people can and do, contrary to your last post, catch swine flu and die from it. I fail to see what the deployment of wholescale conspiracy theories and paranoia on swine flu have to do with global warming however.

# 25

Posted: 29/09/2009 12:12

I have a 5yr old child who is in the "at risk" group from flu. He gets the seasonal flu jab every year. The seasonal flu jab has just been made available and I have a App to get that done.

However I could not believe it when I was told that the Swine Flu jab will now not be made available until Late Nov - so that there would be no mix ups in the administration of the two jabs. I was told that this is a HSE directive.

1. Are our GPs really so unorganised that this would be an issue.

2. If I had to choose one - Then surely it would be the strain that is now active....are the many folk in the "at risk" groups of any concern to the HSE. I had a look on the HSE site - no mention of this delay at all.

I am really worried about this - fine for us normal healthy folk - but for kids like my son the HSE has taken a decision that could be fatal. They do not even have the bottle to announce this.

# 24

Posted: 29/09/2009 10:38

Ann-Scaremongering will not help anyone that much is true, but can you not see that those who are against conventional medicine are in fact the worst offenders?

Your post makes for very interesting reading, it is a pity that those who have died from swine flu are no around to read it though....

For those people, the risk was very REAL.

# 23

Posted: 29/09/2009 10:34

Viruses will always naturally mutate Razor, it is a simple fact of life. We evolve, other animals evolve, plants evolve, so too do viruses. Wake up. Whatever you say about the pharma business, scientists who devote their whole lives to studying and research are NOT the bad guys here, yet this seems to be where your witch hunt is now directed. Can you at least decide WHO you are going to conjure up conspiracies against?

# 22

Posted: 29/09/2009 10:32

"There are thousands dying and 10's of thousands sick from hunger and malnutrition. Does that mean we should stock up in emergency supplies of food."

Well if stocking up on food for those who are in very real danger of being exposed to starvation was a possibility then why wouldnt you? If you could PREVENT the starvation in the same way that the vaccine can prevent the flu wouldnt you?

Or do we all have a death wish?

# 21

Posted: 29/09/2009 09:46

Buzz read you own post! “In 1997–1998, H3N2 strains emerged” “In 1999 in Canada, a strain of H4N6crossed the species barrier from birds to pigs” HOW? “then, between 1997 and 2002, new strains of three different subtypes etc Emerged from where?????? From Pharmaceutical laboratories!

There is no natural virus that poses a threat to the entire population. NONE! According to many experts, the 'swine flu' is part swine flu, part human flu and part bird flu, a hybrid that can ONLY come from laboratories.

Baxter's lab in Austria, supposedly one of the most secure biosecurity labs in the world, disregarded the most basic and essential procedures to keep 72 kilos of a classified pathogenic bioweapon secure and separated from all other substances, instead allowing it to be mixed with the ordinary human flu virus and sent out to the rest of the world from its facilities in Orth and Donau.When a staff member at BioTest in the Czech Republic tested material meant for candidate vaccines on ferrets, the ferrets died. There was no investigation or follow up from the WHO, the EU or the Austrian health authorities into the content of the virus material, and there is no data on the genetic sequence of the virus that has been released. WHY??????????

# 20

Posted: 29/09/2009 08:14

In reply to Anonymous 28/9, 'thousands dead and 10's of thousands sick'

There are thousand dying and 10's of thousands sick from hunger and malnutrition.  Does that mean we should stock up in emergency supplies of food.

Its amazing how quick we are to use global statistics for scarmongering or implementation of bans.

We are also being brainwashed about our contribution to global warming without acknowledging that we are just a miniscule dot of a country in the larger scale of things.

Another brainwashing tactic is that we were led to believe that we were world leaders and big players by helping the EU to implement their various curtailments and regulations i.e. smoking, plastic bags, real eggs, light bulbs and loads of other bans that are not yet in the public domain.

Bringing it down to a more realistic level it means that people who are already financially stretched will now have to hand over more money to Big Pharma not only for the ordinary flu jab but for a swine flu jab as well.

Nice work if you can get it!

Thousands are dying from starvation or manulitriction does that mean that Mary Harney should spend millions on building up emergency food supplies.

# 19

Posted: 28/09/2009 15:43

Razor, Swine flu was first proposed to be a disease related to human influenza during the 1918 flu pandemic, when pigs became sick at the same time as humans. Do you really think the pharma companies have been hatching their money-making plans since then? Given of course that anyone alive in those days would not stand to reap the rewards of a fake outbreak in 2009.....

fyi:

(For the following 60 years, swine influenza strains were almost exclusively H1N1. Then, between 1997 and 2002, new strains of three different subtypes and five different genotypes emerged as causes of influenza among pigs in North America. In 1997–1998, H3N2 strains emerged. These strains, which include genes derived by reassortment from human, swine and avian viruses, have become a major cause of swine flu. Reassortment between H1N1 and H3N2 produced H1N1. In 1999 in Canada, a strain of H4N6crossed the species barrier from birds to pigs, but was contained.

The H1N1 form of swine flu is one of the descendants of the strain that caused the 1918 flu pandemic.

Of course those who are already immunocompromised stand to be affected the most should they contract the disease. If people accepted the vaccine instead of shouting their heads off about urban legends then the risk of a complete outbreak would be minimised, those who are already ill would not be as likely to catch the flu and maybe end up dead but then again, nobody ever said that the scare mongers were out for anyone else but themselves.

# 18

Posted: 28/09/2009 15:33

Thousands dead and 10's of thousands sick and ann thinks it's a "scaremongering tactic" and something "that's not there".

# 17

Posted: 27/09/2009 16:50

No I am not worried about swine flu. Its just another scaremongering tactic by big pharma to make more money for themselves.

Get ready for the next onslaught when they start demanding our bodies to inject their poisonous serum into us by scaring us into believing it will prevent whats not there.

# 16

Posted: 26/09/2009 09:55

The WHO is currently investigating a claim by an Australian researcher, Adrian Gibbs, that the swine flu may have been created as a result of human error. He was involved on the research that led to of Tamiflu and said he intends to publish a report suggesting the new strain may have been accidentally evolved in eggs scientists use to grow viruses and drug makers used to make vaccines. He is quoted as having said “One of the simplest explanations is that it’s a laboratory escape, but there are lots of others”. CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses ” North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza A virus subtype H1N1, and swine influenza virus typically found in “Asia and Europe” - “an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences.” To say the least!

I find it implausible that a pig that was infected with both the avian flu virus and the swine flu could come into contact with a farmer with a seasonal flu, have it mutate and become what it is today. I am certainly not an expert in this matter, but this is VERY interesting and certainly asks questions? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the swine flu was deliberately developed in a lab to boost falling Pharmaceutical profits. There are far too many successful libel suits against major Pharmaceutical companies for a variety of unsavory practices to dismiss the possibility that is was deliberately constructed!

# 15

Posted: 25/09/2009 12:04

Thank you for that last comment. My husband has Duncan's Syndrome which leaves him extremely vulnerable to infections of this kind. So I take it very seriously. Whatever can be done to prevent the spread and to keep the incidence down would be greatly appreciated.

# 14

Posted: 25/09/2009 09:39

Hi Razor can you tell us what you mean when you refer to the "creators of the swine flu"? Thanks

# 13

Posted: 25/09/2009 09:24

I am very worried about it. i know all i can do is try my best to help prevent it. i am not so concerened about myself or my partner getting it, its our 1 year old son who was born 13 weeks prematurely and has had some issues with his breathing that i am extremley worried about. it really scares me actually!!

# 12

Posted: 25/09/2009 08:24

Razor, swine flu is far more transmissible than seasonal flu, is more likely to affect younger people, can have more far-reaching and damaging effects in addtion to affecting the immunocompromiosed, athsmatics and pregnant women.

This, at least is the qualified medical information we have been provided with.

As for any person or company so-called creating the swine flu - do you have any legally admissable evidence to support this or is it purely conjecture on your part. I agree fully however with your point regarding Crumlin childrens hospital - why is the vaccine costing us (we are the tax payers afterall) so much, while, CF patients cannot get the treatment they need, families who cannot afford the HPV vaccine are forced to let their daughters be endangered as a result and our hospitals remain chronicaly underfunded.

# 11

Posted: 25/09/2009 08:19

Ang05, speak to a solicitor qualified in Employment Rights and they will confirm that an employer canNOT legally discipline an employee for legitimate certified sick leave.

# 10

Posted: 24/09/2009 19:17

The Swine Flu is a serious issue for a minority of people with underlying medical conditions.  We all owe it to these people to take precautions.  I would not like to be responsible for passing on this illness to somebody who does not have the antibodies to fight it.  It could be you!

# 9

Posted: 24/09/2009 16:30

ANON "if you are ill, take time off and produce a cert, then any attempt by ANY employers to discipline you is a VIOLATION of your EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS and represents and ILLEGAL act on the part of your employer"

This is not true. Can you name the legislation this refers to ??? The IR ACT does not cover sick leave as far as I'm aware no legislation does... I'd love to know where you got this from I'm sure NERA or citizens info are fully aware of this fact too.

# 8

Posted: 24/09/2009 16:27

I agree, I cant believe that you can be disciplined for Certified sick leave. In the current economic climate employers are taking advantage surely there should be some legislation in place to protect employees for genuine certified sick leave

# 7

Posted: 24/09/2009 11:54

Peg, if you are ill, take time off and produce a cert, then any attempt by ANY employers to discipline you is a VIOLATION of your EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS and represents and ILLEGAL act on the part of your employer. Inform then of this and REFUSE to accept any disciplinary action which violates your rights - contact the Employment Rights assoc. or Citizens information.

# 6

Posted: 24/09/2009 11:29

Everyone can only try prevent themselves getting swine flu we have absolutely no control over others.

# 5

Posted: 24/09/2009 11:08

I wouldn’t worry about the swine flu. After all it’s no more dangerous than the “ordinary” flu. However I am extremely worried about the creators of this swine flu, the vaccine manufactures who patented the “swine flu” vaccine one year before the outbreak was announced, the Governments who spent millions of our tax money to purchase these vaccines and the numerous reports if deliberate contamination of vaccines by their manufactures.

Mary Harney spent 88 million of our tax money purchasing mercury infused vaccines for a disease that is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu while the children’s hospital in Crumlin faces cut backs due to lack of funding! Now that I find worrying!

# 4

Posted: 23/09/2009 19:46

its time the HSE checked out all supermarkets. Another thing if you are ill and take time off,you are brought into the office and disciplined over been out,even though you produce a cert.I think its a disgrace.My daughter has crohn's disease and sometimes has a flare up with bouts of diahorrea, and is unable to work, and has to stay at home. They asked her was there anything she could do about it.   

# 3

Posted: 23/09/2009 12:50

No, I can't say I am worried. I realise that with hundreds dead - half of whom had no underlying conditions and thousands who have been hospitalised that it is actually serious but somehow I wasn't worried at the outset either. I do what I can to prevent illness so there's no real point in worrying about something I cannot change, after that.

# 2

Posted: 23/09/2009 05:07

Why have the supermarkets not displayed any sprays for customers to put on their hands? Why do managers have one to one meetings with staff in their place of work, It happens in Tesco's in Portlaoise. It makes me very worried.

# 1

Posted: 21/09/2009 21:12

More hype. Does anyone remember the avian flu or SARS?